How to Rewire Your Brain for Peak Performance and Lead at Your Best When It Matters Most | Dr. Izzy Justice (Pt. 2)

🎧 Ep. 213: How to Rewire Your Brain for Peak Performance and Lead at Your Best When It Matters Most | Dr. Izzy Justice (Pt. 2)

What if everything you thought you knew about peak performance, stress, and confidence was missing the one thing that actually matters?

In Part 2 of this conversation, neuroscientist and performance expert Dr. Izzy Justice is back — and this time, we're getting practical. We're talking about what's actually happening in your brain in the seconds before you choke, freeze, or fall short of your best. And more importantly, what you can do about it in 10 seconds or less.

This episode will change how you understand yourself — and how you show up in every moment that matters.

If you haven't listened to Part 1 yet, go back and start there. Then come right back here.

In This Episode, You'll Learn:

• 💡 Why peak performance has almost nothing to do with talent — and everything to do with brain access
• 💡 What actually happens in your brain milliseconds before you choke under pressure
• 💡 The difference between micro trauma and big trauma — and how both silently sabotage your performance
• 💡 What neurohacks are and why they work when yoga, meditation, and mindfulness can't
• 💡 The 10-10 neurohack you can do in 20 seconds that delivers the cognitive equivalent of up to 20 minutes of meditation
• 💡 The Nano Climbers exercise — and why you can do it under a desk in the middle of a board meeting without anyone knowing
• 💡 Why kindness — not gratitude — is the ultimate neurohack (and why the science backs it up)
• 💡 How getting to 10 hertz improves your memory access by up to 40% and your learning capacity by up to 20%
• 💡 Why "stress" isn't real — and what it actually is.

🔗 Connect with Dr. Izzy:

• Website: drizzyjustice.com
• App: Neuro580 — available to download, approximately $8/month
• YouTube: Search Neuro580 for episodes on sleep, kindness, performance, and more

Resources & Links Mentioned

• 📚 Life Explained: Chasing 10 Hertz by Dr. Izzy Justice — available at drizzyjustice.com
• 📱 Neuro580 App — 30+ neurohacks available on demand

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Transcript

Trauma As Unfinished Experience

SPEAKER_01 0:00

A traumatic past is nothing more than an experience that is missing a last chap. And I find over and over again, I've been very privileged to work with amazing athletes, amazing head coaches, amazing uh performers, uh artists. Um, I can't think of one, Sonny, truthfully, that didn't suffer a trauma and that isn't using their trauma. So it's a it's very paradoxical that we think of a trauma as something to be ashamed of, something that holds us hostage, whereas in fact, it can be converted into something that gives us our raison d'être. Like it is the source of passion.

The Show’s Promise And Purpose

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Welcome to Evoke Greatness, the podcast for bold leaders and big dreamers who refuse to settle. I'm your host Sonny, CEO, entrepreneur, and someone who's spent over 20 years building, leading, and learning what it really takes to rise. Every step of that journey has taught me something worth passing on: lessons in business, leadership, resilience, and the psychology behind it all. Here you'll hear raw conversations, unfiltered truths, and the kind of wisdom that ignites something deeper in you, your courage, your conviction, and your calling. This show will help you think bigger, lead better, and show up bolder in every part of your life and business. This is your place to grow. Let's rise together.

Why Talent Stops Matter

SPEAKER_00 1:47

When we think about peak performance, I think about athletes and you see visualization, and I think it's common today to see a lot of videos or highlight these areas where people really are going more into the neuroscience of what makes someone a high performer? What makes someone get to their peak performance? And so I love that we're actually getting to the realistic terms, that it's not, that it's actually a measurement of electricity versus a word that we have come up with that sounds kind of cool to describe an actual measurement of electricity. So I love that people are getting educated on this piece, myself as well. I'm curious, because you have studied this so deeply, is peak performance about talent? Is it about brainwave management? Is it a combination of the two?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Yeah, what a great question. That's a really, really good question. Okay. So, you know, I find, so let's go to the highest levels. When I go to the very highest levels of athletes in multiple sports, I find that at that level, so I'm a professional athlete or a professional head coach. At that level, the difference in talent between 99% of the athletes is very nominal. And in every sport, you know, there might be one, two, at the most five, really, that are truly uniquely talented. I mean, they they're they're bigger somehow, they're faster somehow, and they can do things nobody else. But that number is really, really, really, really small. So I don't think that at that level it is it is skill. Matter of fact, I know it's not. The folks at that highest level that are able to, again, manifest their skills at the key moments that matter. So I've been lucky enough to watch great athletes, professional players, athletes, and teams while they're practicing. While they're practicing, almost every athlete looks like they're the best athlete in the world. You put them in a game time situation, and suddenly there is a marked difference. The guy that made all the shots in practice suddenly is missing shots when the game counts. So the difference is, you know, I view sort of high performance as bringing out the best version of yourself, like manifesting what you already know how to do. Here's the key, here's the key, Sunny, at moments that matter. It's not skill, it's skill at the moments that matter. Because a moment that matters only exists in your brain. There's no other place in the universe where that moment matters. Like right now, as you and I are talking, the NCAA March Madness is going on. We're not a part of it. That's not our moment. That's their moment. So it's not a moment, you know what I mean? It's the moment that means the most to us. So I find that the highest form of human intelligence is to know where your brain is. And if you know where your brain is on that scale from one to 100, and you may not call it 100. You may just say, Am I focused or am I not? You may use terms like, am I committed to this shot or not. You may use other terms. But as a neuroscience, I will say, do you know the difference of whether you're at 10 or 20? Because if you're at 20 hertz, the amount of work that you have to do to get to 10 is relatively less than if you are at 80 hertz. So the awareness that this is where my brain is, one, then based on that self-awareness, here's the level of adjustment that I have to make to get back towards 10 hertz, in every human experience, that to me is the highest form of intelligence. And I find that great athletes, great athletes have an awareness of their brain and are able to get to whatever they call 10 hertz. They might call it flow, they might call it in the moment, they might call it committed. These are labels, right? But what they're really saying is, can I get myself, maybe not to 10, but towards 10? Like as I'm taking this shot, can I really look at the basket and look around the rim and find different stuff, points on the rim where I want the ball to go? Or am I looking at the basket and thinking, don't leave it short? Or if I miss it, everyone's gonna laugh. I've measured those brains. When you think don't leave it short, you are 60-70 hertz. Because think of where the word don't comes from. It comes from this, again, trauma, this memory of when I left it short like the last time, maybe a few games ago, the fans booed me, my coach yelled at me afterwards. Boom, I'm retrieving the wrong inventory. But when I amplify sensory input, I see different spots on the brain, I feel the basketball in my hands, I can feel the tension in my hand. Is it tight? Is it loose? Is it just right? That's sensory input. So I think every human being, or I don't think I know, every human being could be the best version of themselves if they simply learned how their brain works.

Choking, Spikes, And Micro Trauma

SPEAKER_00 6:54

So I think you may have just described it, but you think about in that moment, when someone, let's say, you know, chokes in a high stakes moment, they are aiming for that three-point. And if I understand it correctly, what you're saying is what's happening in their brain when they are missing that is they're going to those moments, those memories, the trauma, that's what they're accessing at that very moment. And so if their electrical measurement is higher, they're allowing more of that noise to come in, more of those memories around the don'ts, the negativities, the shadowing of that impact those really important shots. They're not silencing out that noise, closing in, kind of narrowing in at that 10-ish measurement to say, I have everything it takes to make that shot.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Yeah. So you are bringing back such a good, fond memory and a ha moment. So thank you, first of all, for that. But like I said, I have measured the brain in the seconds and up to a minute or two before. So we call it a spike. When I see a spike, so a spike is up and down, it's called a surge. When I see a spike, the closer that spike is to the moment that I want to initiate a mode of movement, like kicking a ball, throwing a football, making a putt, whatever it is, whatever sport I play, if I see a spike, I don't always know what memory is being retrieved, but I'll record it. So for example, golf is very easy. I work with a lot of golfers, and I'll have them putt. And if I see a spike, you know, the odds that they're going to miss the putt suddenly go up. And I've measured them now. And so I will show them the video and say, hey, like eight seconds before you started your backstroke, there was a spike. And they was like, no, no, no, I was calm, I was broken. I was like, no, bro, look. Like, yeah, like I thought about one that I missed a few holes ago. There you go. So it doesn't always have to be, you know, I find that with athletes, it's the most recent. And it doesn't have to be big trauma, but just so I call it micro trauma, like not like what I went through in my childhood. So those athletes are big trauma. But we all have these micro-traumas, you know. So for example, if I'm a tennis player and I'm serving, and the last serve that I just hit, I completely blocked it. I mean, I missed my target by five feet. I promise you, the next time I'm trying to hit that serve or that type of a shot, my brain is going to go retrieve not just all of the millions of times that I hit a good serve, but the most recent negative one because it's doing its job. It wants to protect me. So I help athletes build their own awareness. I help them understand that if this thought comes into my head, I'm not a bad person, I'm not flawed. That's just the frequency of this thought. Now, what can I do? In those moments, I invented these things called neurohacks, which is a way to spike down the spike. And so if you think about it, us regular human beings, we do lots of things to spike down the overall spike in our brains. We cook, we watch a movie, we go for a walk, we walk out, we go on vacation. What are these things? These are things that we're doing to amplify sensory input. We're doing this, we call it in lay terms, to reduce stress.

Stress As Electricity And Access

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Now, stress, again, I know you'll probably want to throw something at me at this point. Stress is not a real thing. Like so we're using all these terms, but there's no human gland or neurotransmitter or organ called stress. It is a term that we made up. Now, I understand why we made it up, but it's still a term that we made up. It's not real. Stress is just a surge of electricity, meaning this moment, my brain is working very hard for this moment. So if you simplify what the human experience, what we're experiencing in terms of electricity, I think that's simple. If I just say, okay, I just surged or I just spiked, well, the answer is well, spike down. And how much of a surge was it? Am I five minutes late for a meeting or am I an hour late for a meeting? The surge of those two experiences is very different. If I'm five minutes late, I might spike up by 10, 15 hertz. If I'm an hour late for a job interview, I might be at 100 hertz because I'm like, you know, like there goes my job interview kind of thing. These are very different types of things. That's why I will tell you, in my opinion, performance or the highest form of human intelligence, in my view, is not the knowledge that you have. Like, what of what value is the knowledge that you have if you can't access it at the moments that matter? Of what value is all this practice time that you spend if at the moment that you need to hit that shot or use a certain technique, you can't access it. I have so many amazing head coaches and athletes that I work with. Truthfully, Sunny, they're hard workers. They really are. I run into a few lazy ones, but not a lot. Most professional athletes work their bottom, work their tail ends off. But when the game matters, like it's almost like they never hit a shot ever in their life. They make such bad decisions. Again, it's an access issue. And if you frame it as an access issue, it's, I think, simpler. Right? It's it's not a mystery. Like if in the confidence, like I said earlier, Sonny, is in the moment I am accessing the right inventory. I'm accessing all the good shots that I hit, all the books that I read, the training that I went through, the people that I talked to, because it's all there. We have this vast inventory of human experiences. Again, some are negative. But the overwhelming majority of our human experiences are useful to us. How many good conversations have our moms and dads have had with us? How many good conversations and lessons have we learned from our friends, from our siblings, from our neighbors in books that we read? We have enough inventory to navigate life. Only if we can access it when? At the moment that matters. And that's an easier ask of self. So greatness is not a mystery. It's at the moment that matters. You know, can I do something to know where my brain is and make an adjustment to get towards 10? I think that's easier than using things like Zen and Flow and mindfulness. And these are all I give honor genuinely to the knowledge that people that have come before me have harnessed to help us all. The person that came up with flow was not a bad person. But that was his understanding, his way of making sense what was going on. But we have technology now. We can actually look into this mystery of the brain, which is cage. The brain is the most protected organ in the entire human body. It's in a skull. And it's not like the heart where I can cut it open and look at it and cut it back up. If I cut open the brain, I'm going to paralyze you or kill you. But we now have access to it. We now can understand the human experience. We can decipher it. And Sunny, I'm telling you and your audience, it ain't a mystery. It ain't a mystery. Get to 10 hertz in moments that matter, and you will have a very rich human experience, no matter what happens to you. Your brain will figure out what to do next.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Is it safe to say then that in those moments, you know, I think about anyone's big moment, right? It that may be uh presenting at your board for those listening. It may be this big board meeting where you've got investors there. It could be your keynote that you're doing and you're on stage in front of all of these people. And in that moment, what I understand you saying is to gain access to the right lived experiences that allow you to that allow you to serve in that moment at that 10 hertz, at that measurement of that 10 hertz is that visualization that what is, yeah. So so let's tie those things together. Because I think about it, and oftentimes we hear a lot about visualization, but what in that moment, when when you talk about neurohacks, what in that moment are we doing to gain access to the right lived experiences at the right time?

Predictable Versus Surprise Pressure

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Correct. So it's not just moments that we can predict. So all the moments that you gave, they're predictable. I'm going to speak, I'm going to have a board meeting, I'm I have to make a decision about some strategy or some plan. But let's go into the board meeting. And in my presentation or in the board meeting, someone just says something completely off-color. Now I've spiked. So they are these predictable as well as unpredictable moments. Both of us can spike us. And in both cases, I need to have tools that are short, that I can get my, so again, spike down the surge of electricity because suddenly, because of this off-color comment, you know, making my brain go higher. So let's do some neurohags.

Neurohack Demo The 10 10

SPEAKER_01 16:12

I'm going to do two with you and your audience can kind of follow along. So the first one is called 1010. Now, Sunny, I don't want you to start doing it until I say go very loudly, because I need to explain to you. So don't start doing it. Just kind of hear me out first. So when I say go very loudly, which is not now, in your own mind, with with, you know, so not out loud to me, but in your own mind, and your audience can follow along. Again, please, none of you should start doing this until I say go very loudly, which is not now. But when I say go very loudly, again, which is not now, I want you to count from one to ten in your own mind as fast as you possibly can. Well, don't jumble it up, say the numbers, but say the numbers as fast as you can, all the way to 10, from one to ten. Literally, the second that you get to ten, go back towards one, the opposite. Go from 10 back to one literally as slow as you can. Take your time, right? When you get back to one, Sunny, give me a thumbs up. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Okay. And go. Okay. Sunny, what did it feel like to you? Give me some labels going from one to ten first.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

I felt my heart rate start to pick up, actually, as I started to count and trying to count clearly and not jumble it as you gave instructions to, but clearly, concisely, with speed. And so I felt myself focusing on that, but I could feel my heart rate spike a little bit until I got to that place.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

And then what did it feel like going from 10 back to one?

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Immediately uh I felt my heart rate lowering, but almost my blood pressure lowing lowering. So you kind of start to feel this slowing down effect, not rushed, not hurried, but slow, calculated, and descending down.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Okay. So what if I told you? Well, actually, let me ask this, how long did it take you to do that?

SPEAKER_00 18:14

20 seconds?

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Okay. 20 seconds at the most, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

What if I told you that what you just did in 20 seconds is the cognitive equivalence, not physical, but the cognitive equivalence of anywhere between five to 20 minutes of traditional yoga or meditation or mindfulness activity. So when you said I was slowing down, remember I said 10 hertz is slow. It's slow. People say I feel more relaxed. People say when I was going up, I was agitated. So if you did that, all of us can make 20 seconds before we go on stage. I cannot go do 20 minutes of yoga right before I go on stage. I gotta change clothes. I gotta do, I cannot go for a walk, I cannot cook my favorite meal before I go on stage, or before I go present, or before I take a quiz, or before I shoot a free throw, or coming at a timeout. You see what I mean now? So I can tell you that with confidence about, you know, the the the effect of it because we've measured them. And so you basically took you by intentionally spiking your brain, it was a false flag, and then bringing it down extremely slowly, you lowered the frequency because in a normal threat situation, you wouldn't do that. You'd be running nonstop. Your heart rate would be high. So you've told your brain, you've tricked your brain that I'm not in real danger. A lion is not coming to eat me right now. Okay. So I teach athletes and I teach executives and I teach leaders, I teach kids who have ADD and struggle with taking an exam or performance anxiety to do the 1010. And that is just one of dozens and dozens, over 300 actually, of these neurohacks. The longest one is 30 seconds. Most of them are 10 seconds. And so asking yourself that all I need to do is to recognize a moment where I want to be my best when I've spiked. And in that moment, I want to do a neurohack to spike myself down. And that will just give me more access, access to my inventory, and it'll amplify my sensory input. And I get asked oftentimes, well, how long will it last? That's the wrong question because the brain only needs a few seconds to access whatever it needs to access. And then so we need to change about how we think about optimism and happiness and peaceful. It's not a constant state because those are neurochemicals, but it is a cognitive state. It's I'm amplifying my access to all the relevant information that I already have. And so when I do the best, when I bring out my best version in moments that matter, man, think of how much better dinner is that night. Think of how many people you want to tell about how good your day was. And then you have this contagion effect. Well, somebody else heard it, now they feel good because they're seeing a smile in your face, they're seeing a sense of optimism, they're seeing your eyes big, and now you're paying attention to them, like, oh, mom had a great day. And when you don't do your best, in moments that matter, now you're frowning, now your kid's talking to you, the sensory input, the auditory stimulation is there, but you don't hear them because you're still processing something that didn't go very well earlier in the day.

Neurohack Demo Fingertip Mountain

SPEAKER_01 21:36

Would you like to do another neurohack?

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Yes, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

Okay, take your hands together like so, all right? Now don't start doing this until I say go very loudly, okay? But your left hand should not move. Your left hand is attached to your heart, which is on your left side. So left hand will not move. So don't start until I say go. I want you to imagine that your left hand is a mountain and that the fingers on your right hand are going to climb this mountain. So we're gonna do six of them. Three of them, I'm gonna climb my left hand mountain very quickly. So three times very quickly. And then the last three times I'm gonna climb the mountain very slowly. As you're climbing the last three, feel the fingertips of your right hand. Feel the hand on your left hand. Right. So three fast and then three very slow. Ready? Go. Okay. When you went up three times fast, what did that feel like?

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Again, similar response. Um there's a there's a physicality to it where you feel this rush to both sense of like mental and physical, of hurry, hurry, get there. And and so there's that again, that spike in in heart rate, minimal attention because you're just going fast.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

And then what do you feel like when you did the three times that it went slow?

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Versus slowing down again, you get clearer, slower, more calculated. I could feel the sensation of both the receiving and the giving of that energy.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

And how long how long did it take you to do that?

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Again, maybe maybe 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Okay. And how often do you have your hands on you?

SPEAKER_00 23:14

24 hours a day.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

There you go. And how how often are you able to count to 10 fast and 10 slow? Do you need equipment? Do you need a yoga mad? Do you need a room? Do you have to be somewhere? Do you have to buy something?

unknown 23:25

No.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

No, and and you can actually do it in the middle of a situation where you need that pause, that slowing down. And no one has to know about it.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Exactly. I I do it with my hands underneath the desk when I'm when I'm on Zoom calls. I have kids do it when they're taking their SATs or their exams, and they can do the 10-10. So those are just two of hundreds of these neurohacks that we have discovered. They're not intended to replace, replace our other wellness activities, like yoga, like meditation, like mindfulness, like working out, like cooking, like listening to music, like dancing, like reading a book. Those are all good things to do, but you can't do those in 10 seconds. You cannot do them when you spike. Right? So we live in a world where our spikes are happening during the course of the day. So as human beings, we need a new set of skills based on our understanding of the human brain how to get to 10 hertz.

Chasing 10 Hertz With Data

SPEAKER_01 24:25

And like I said, you know, and I talk about this extensively in my book, Life Explained Chasing 10 Hertz. That's the subtitle of the book, Chasing 10 Hertz. Now you know what that means. But I feel like all of us are chasing 10 hertz. We all want that. You know, now we've used all kinds of cliches and traditional methods because we didn't understand how the brain works. We now understand how the brain works. It's not a mystery. Think of how simple, how simple of a ask it is of self, that no matter what happens to us in our entire life, forever, no matter what challenge we face, the first thing I need to do is to get my brain to 10. I don't have to solve the problem. Because a brain at 10 hertz will think of more ideas, it'll access more inventory. It won't make the challenge go away. It'll make your ability to address it significantly better. And the data, the hard data, this is not a philosophy. The hard data proves that our ability to learn is up 20 to 40%. Our access to our memory is up 30, 40%. Like these are studies from DARPA, from the military, from neuroscientists around the world. So, Sunny, we've reached a point in our human experience where we understand the human experience better. You know, this what I'm trying to teach everybody is that the one thing that we use all the time for everything, forever, is the human brain. We must understand it better. We must make an effort for ourselves, for our children, for the people that work for us to again master it. And it isn't this mystery anymore. It really isn't. I wish it were, but it's not a mystery. Get to 10 hertz and magic will happen.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

I love that. I love you. And I'm not sure that I was fully understanding this even at the beginning. And so I love just the little exercises that you pulled me into because people get to do this along with us. You could be driving in your car, you could be sitting in your office at home or winding down at night and be doing these activ these exercises to say, I do, I feel the difference. Because I think once we actually do the act of some of these things and you're aware of what's happening in the first exercise versus what's happening in the second exercise, I think then you take you can take that into those moments too, where you say, okay, I just did this. I go into maybe a situation in a board meeting, you know, whatever, a conflict of I now can tap into that to say, let me spike myself down to this place where I'm clear, where my heart rate is regulated. I'm not feeling this panic inside, and I'm not fearing the worst. Correct.

unknown 27:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

And again, I talk about this extensively in my book. There are many more of those neurohacks that you can learn. There's even an app out there called Neuro580. Uh, you can buy it. It's like eight bucks a month or something, and there are probably 30 or 40 neurohacks there. You only need to you only need to learn them one time. Like I promise you, you will never forget 1010 and you'll never forget non-timers.

unknown 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

And I promise you, you'll probably go and teach everyone that you know what you just learned here. That's the beauty of it. Yes. I mean, once you learn it, like, you know, this is not a subscription. Like you, you, it's yours now.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Right. Yeah. You can then get you can put that under it uh being a lived experience that you can tap into again. Well, our hour has already flown by. I wish I had hours more to dive into uh all of your experience. There's always a question I ask at the end of the podcast, and that is of all of your lived experiences, the athletes you've worked with, the experiences you've had, and it were your last day on earth, and you could only impart one piece of wisdom or guidance to the world, what would that be?

SPEAKER_01 28:22

That it only takes a few seconds to be the best version of ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Perfectly aligned. Perfectly

Final Wisdom Resources And Kindness

SPEAKER_00 28:29

aligned. Dr. Izzy, I would love. I'm gonna put this in the show notes, but please share where can everybody find out more about you? Get your books, get access.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Yeah, so my website is drizyjustice.com. All my books are there. There is an app out there called Neuro580, N-E-U-R-O-580. You can download it. I think it's eight bucks a month, and like I said, you can cancel it after a couple of months. But a lot of these neurohacks out there, I've done a lot of podcasts. There's if you go to YouTube under Neuro580, uh, there's so much information there around sleep, around kindness. There's neuroscience around kindness, how kindness is the ultimate neurohack, by the way. Not gratitude, not gratitude, but kindness. Very, very, very different. You know, we have demonstrated that acts of kindness are actually a gift to self. Like when we do something kind for other people, the spike down is off the charts for ourselves, not just for the other person. And so we think of kindness often as a gift to somebody else. In reality, it's the ultimate, you know, self-care. So it's an unbelievable design, but there's so much information out there. I've been doing this a long time, coming on four decades. I'm an old man now. But thank you so much, Sunny, for uh for having me. And I hope that uh everybody uh understands 10 Hertz now and they have made their understanding of their human experience a lot simpler.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Love it. Thank you for sharing uh all of your experiences and imparting that on to the rest of us. I think us getting closer to the knowledge base of understanding that we have more control over it than we thought we did initially uh allows us to show up as our very best selves, therefore, right, evoking greatness. Thank you.

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